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#1 User is offline   colnken 

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 03:04 PM

OMG, I freakin' can't believe this- now I have KNEE pain! Maybe I'm just not cut out to be a runner anymore. &*^%$ :) Now I've got my foot feeling better, the pain just seems to have moved up my body.

Can you tell me where your pain was? Front, side? When did it hurt? Only running, walking, etc.? And what kind of band you wore? My soreness on the outside, and while I was blaming my new shoes, I ran in my old ones today and it came right back. It starts hurting at about mile 2. I can fiddle around with my pace, speeding up or slowing down and can make it 4 miles before home, usually gritting my teeth, but by the end of the day feels better. After a few hours, it doesn't really hurt walking, but going down stairs is no picnic, though.

How is yours doing? Do you think the strap helped? Did you wear it all the time or just when running? Thanks for any advice. This is all your fault anyway, you know. :D Just kidding.

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 07:14 PM

ohhhhh nooooooo!

Okay, mine was the IT band. It's a muscle/ligament that starts at the hip and goes down the outside of your thigh then attaches below the outside of your knee. The pain is on the outside of your leg and can be anywhere from just above to down below the outside part of your knee.

If this is what you have, the pain gets EXCRUCIATING if you keep running. Although I probably ignored the pain for a little at first so maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if I had paid attention to warning signs. What causes the pain is that the IT band gets too tight and it rubs over the bone on the outside of your knee and gets inflamed. When that band is healthy, it's loose enough to just slide over the bone.

Mine was at the point that it was extremely painful to run and then took several days to feel good again, then it would start all over each time I ran. It got so bad that I had to completely stop running for about 2 weeks and it still felt weak, but not painful anymore.

Everything I've read says you have to stop running until the pain is gone, then there are a bunch of stretches you can do. The stretches never helped me much, but it doesn't hurt to try. I'll track down some links when I get home. What finally worked for me was to get a deep tissue massage then use a foam roller PT style. I know I have a website that shows the foam roller use.

I'll add to this when I get home. I have to go pick up Naomi before daycare closes. Check in later . . .
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 07:54 PM

Butting in here, but I'm sorry you're having knee probs now!! I'm trying to take it easy & gradually build up my mileage again so I don't have another injury! So far so good....

I hope it isn't your ITB! At least Rachel gave you some good advice!! I'm glad to see my running buddies posting again!! (especially now that I'm running again!! :lol: )

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Posted 10 April 2006 - 08:07 PM

Thanks so much for the info. Unfortunately it does sound *exactly* like what I have. It is on the outside of my knee and it is getting worse with each run. It's weird, it feels fine until I'm about halfway through my 4.5 mile route- and quite a ways from home unfortunately- when it starts to hurt. If I stop to walk, it is almost worse, so I just run, but slow down or speed up until I get home (and oddly enough, feels best when I'm in an all-out sprint, which makes me think it's my crappy form?!). It is even showing up on my treadmill runs. I wish I knew why- I was being SO careful not to build up my mileage too quickly since my foot feels so much better. I've even taken out some of the hills in my route. I wonder if the new shoes are just aligning my feet differently or something. If so, I'll be bummed- they feel SO GOOD on my feet! I guess I just can't win, LOL. I have looked into those bands on Road Runner Sports- do you think they help?

Thanks again for your help and any more info you can find. You ROCK!

And thanks for popping in Jess, I know you can relate- this injury stuff sucks!

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Posted 11 April 2006 - 12:33 AM

The strap did help, at least mentally, for me. It's called an IT strap and most running specialty stores should carry them. It's just a single strap that goes around your leg above your knee and it compresses the IT band so it doesn't rub so much. While it allowed me to run again (I ran the marathon with the strap, knee felt kind of weak, but no pain), it does nothing to really get rid of the problem.

The pain was the same for me that you're describing. It was the bending that hurt like hell. Putting weight on it wasn't the problem. That's because it's the point where the band is rubbing on that bone that it is inflamed, so that happens when the knee is bent (like when the back leg leaves the ground to come forward again). And yes, walking was just as excruciating, possibly more, than running. I think the bend in the knee is more pronounced with the walking gait than running, so it makes sense it would hurt more. Up and down stairs is also painful because it requires more bending.

Hate to tell you this, but you need to stop running until the pain goes away. I aggravated mine for so long that by the time I finally stopped running it was about 1.5 wks before I could even walk pain free. Ice and use ibuprofen or naproxen (an anti-inflammatory) daily until you feel no pain walking. If you're still pretty early in the injury, then you should get through that stage pretty quickly. Then you can start the stretching and strength. In the stretching and strength stage, short runs should be okay as long as it's not painful. My knee didn't feel 100% after that 1.5 wks of rest, kind of weak, but it wasn't painful so I went ahead and did some short runs (then a marathon, which doesn't really qualify as a short run! LOL!).

Here's a website that had exercises that really seemed to help me. http://www.runningti...int.asp?id=6099

Like I said in my post above, I seemed to turn the corner when I got the deep tissue massage focusing on the IT band and then used the foam roller like in the link above. You can get the roller from any PT supply place. I bought mine online for about $6-7, then paid the same amt for shipping so it ended up being about $15. Ticked me off at the time but it was well worth it. I highly recommend the foam roller and several people I've talked to that have had IT problems said the same thing.

I really think the leg lifts against the wall have been a big help, too. The pain is in the knee, but from everything I've read, the area that really needs to be strengthened is the hip flexor because that's where the band starts. So if you get it in shape (strength and flexibility) up top, it will be able to slide over the knee bone more freely. When I first started the leg lifts, I could barely do 20 each side (and do both sides for preventive reasons if nothing else). But I was able to add 5 each week just like it says. The strength builds up quickly and I'm really hoping this will prevent a recurrence.

It's entirely possible the injury is caused by biomechanics. I have so far avoided going anywhere to have my running form evaluated. If I start having trouble again as I build up mileage I may do it just to see if it's any help. But try the stuff above first and see if that helps.

Good luck, I don't envy you. Keep me posted and let me know if you have any other questions. I got lots of advice from the women over on the Fit Moms board. There are some hard core athletes over there who have suffered every kind of injury you could imagine! LOL!

View Postcolnken, on Apr 10 2006, 06:07 PM, said:

If I stop to walk, it is almost worse, so I just run, but slow down or speed up until I get home (and oddly enough, feels best when I'm in an all-out sprint, which makes me think it's my crappy form?!). Lisa


Oh yeah, forgot this part. A PT on the Fit Moms board said that running faster than normal and/or uphill has been shown to cause less pain when you have an IT injury. Must be the way the leg is angled and how much bending the knee does in those situations. I did some incline running on the treadmill after she told me that and it was less painful.
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Posted 11 April 2006 - 11:13 PM

Rachel,

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for that wonderful information. It does sound *exactly* like what I have. And while I'm not thrilled that I need to be taking a few weeks off, it is good to know it is somewhat common so I'm not just some freak of nature (that pain-free sprinting had me baffled!). Thankfully, I think I'm pretty early into it, it doesn't hurt to walk on days I don't run; maybe I'll just stick to some walking and incline walking on the treadmill for a few weeks. I'll also start with the stretches. I'm also wondering if my step aerobics might be contributing... or maybe I'm just too darn old, LOL.

Thanks again Rachel. The drinks are on me at the Dells. :wub:

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 11:23 PM

((Hugs)) and quick healing vibes coming your way Lisa!!
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